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==Unvalidated therapies==
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Hi Joe. I am interested in editing here. I would like to make my contribution to unvalidated therapies. I have some listed, including power therapies, but also some others. Follow my contributions, and tell me if you have any suggestions. ATB [[User:Doc Reason|Doc Reason]] 12:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Joe. I am interested in editing here. I would like to make my contribution to unvalidated therapies. I have some listed, including power therapies, but also some others. Follow my contributions, and tell me if you have any suggestions. ATB [[User:Doc Reason|Doc Reason]] 12:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi again Lifeartist. I noticed you have included NLP article. The version you have now is actually extremely well sourced. It is far better than the current NLP article on Wikipedia which seems to be pretty frought with promoters and devoid of scientists. I guess thats why so many sources are missing from their version. I do have some more I can add to it also. There are some more recent review papers that can clear up some issues. I also have some info on other power or alphabet therapies. Looking good! [[User:Doc Reason|Doc Reason]] 12:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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another wiki...:)

Hi Lifeartist....

I stumbled upon this wiki in looking for our own psychology wiki (www.psychwiki.com) via Google and thought I should say hi. My name is Ravi Iyer and I am working with others at the University of Southern California in the social psychology department on a psychology wiki with many of the same aims as your project.

We obviously have similar ideas on the need for a wiki in Psychology. Ideally, we should collaborate in some manner. I'm not sure what that would look like, though.... Ours is a non-profit site designed with the idea of being of use mainly to social psychologist researchers. After a time, we hoped to expand our user base to non-researchers and other areas of psychology.

We have a fair amount invested in our site and so we probably aren't willing to move all our content here. Wikia is probably a good company, but I also like the idea of not using a specific companies' product so that we can control the use/non-use of ads. We also have some specific hacks (ie. automatic Google scholar links) that wouldn't work here. I would completely understand if you had a lot invested in this site too, but we'd certainly welcome your help with psychwiki.

Perhaps we can simply create better interlinking so that we don't duplicate effort. Most of our original content is in the social psychology area and we've been contemplating becoming focused on just social psychology. Rather than copying whole articles from each of our sites (which becomes a nightmare to manage revisions, unless there is a technical synchonization solution that I am unaware of), perhaps defining certain areas where we have strengths (ie. clinical vs. social) and creating referral pages in areas which are outside of these strengths would work?

again, I just wanted to start this conversation and am open to ideas...I'm glad there are others in the world who are thinking along the same lines as far as the value of wikis in psychology.

best wishes.....Ravi

btw, can you email me any correspondence as I'm not as likely to continually check this page...our school domain is usc.edu and my user email address is 'raviiyer'.

Social Psychology Wiki (www.psychwiki.com)

I've been checking this Wiki out and here's what I've found:

  • Started: 26th January, same time as us!
  • No of Articles: According to their list of oldest pages they have 76 articles
  • No of Contributors: 34 active contributors, about 4-5 of them doing most of the work

This compares to us with about 80 actives, 3 admins, and about 10 very actives.

As Ravi has said to you they want to specialise in Social Psy. I always get 3rd class marks in social psy and 1sts in everything else, so i have an immediate bias! hahahahahaha...

They do have the advantage of a GOOD domain name and no advertising, but that is because of their size. I don't know how much it costs to host a large site with lots of storage and bandwidth, but I think our site is already considerably larger and will continue to grow more, just because of our focus.

I think we should point our contributors to their site for social psychology articles only and ask that they do the same for non-social psychology articles. This way we both get:

  • More contributors, for both us and them
  • We don't duplicate work from one another
  • As a result we could always merge later, if and when the time was right

Im thinking that 5-10 years down the line, if not sooner, our Wiki will get some kind of funding and move to a different domain anyway. Who knows what things will look like by then.

I really think we have everything to gain from advertising each others Wikis, and asking our contributors to write Social Psy articles on their wiki, and general articles, or specialist non-social-psy articles on ours. Its a win-win situation where we both gain contributors, but I think we would do best in the bargain simply because the scope of our project is much larger. It will still help them to get lots of specialist content. Mostly Zen 22:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

After we finish off the Depression article, I think we need a serious recruitment drive too.

Your Papers

Had a read and did the structuring they needed. Very interesting, look forward to meeting you in person to discuss. Mostly Zen 00:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


added most of the degrees/credentials of psychologists over to here. i know they were all very confusing to me at first, so i hope this helps others. JoeSmack 20:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Mostly Zen Back Online

Hi Joe,

I am finally back online!!! After several problems with the New wireless network card I am back online again. Got your directions for your workplace and will see you Friday. Haven't heard from Emma yet but will explain to her how the Wiki works at present. I am mostly settled in my new house now and will show the Psychology wiki to my housemate Rebecca who is another Psychology undergrad with ambitions of clinical work.

Speak to you later Mostly Zen 22:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

easy way to hit red links

i found out today that the psychology wiki was missing Charles Darwin. that hurt. anyways, a really good way to eliminate prolific red links is by going to the most linked pages page and listing them by 500s (like so) and looking for the items still in red. check it out. JoeSmack 15:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Is that really better than the most wanted pages, which lists the red ones only, starting at the "top"? Robin Patterson 08:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Planning on Contributing

Greetings! I just stumbled upon this website, and wanted to let you know that I am looking forward to becoming an active member. I have done some editing on Wikipedia throughout the last month or so. I am an aspiring psychologist, still working on my undergrad. degree. I can't get enough PSYCHOLOGY and think that contributing to this site is a great way for me to get more exposure to a variety of topics, etc.

I will be leaving for Mexico on Wednesday, and will be out of the country for about 2 weeks, but look for me then!

I look forward to talking to you soon!

Sonrisasgrandes 18:30, 8 July 2006 (UTC) :)

Hey Joe

Didn't see that you were online. I've uploaded my Brain Injury project at Brain_injury:Recovery and have just finished uploading all the pictures there too. I am really pleased to be able to add this project to the site as i got 80% for it (never, ever done that well for anything at Uni before) and it would be a real shame to have it decaying on my hard-disk, never to see the light of day again.

In fact I am thinking we could use this as an example article for the Psychology Wiki, putting an advert on various Wikipedia pages (for ABI, TBI, Brain Injury, Brain, Headinjury etc...) as an initial advert. I still think we should stick to our Depression article plan though. I am going to concentrate on the Depression article and then recruitment/marketing/awareness for the next few weeks until we meet again (August 18th). Good night. Mostly Zen 22:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joe

I work at Wikia and I love what you're doing. Let me know how we can help. I was thinking of a couple things:

1. Showcase your site on the home page at some point 2. Get a quote from Jimmy Wales about what a great mission we have working together 3. Do a press release announing the new wiki and try to get bloggers to point to it to raise your google ranking 4. Reach out through our PR firm to prestigious Psychology journals, to raise your credibility when you send emails to folks in the future.

What do you think?


Also - FYI, I got this warning when editing your user page. You may want to create an "old talk" page to store some of the content on this page :-) "WARNING: This page is 32 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections."

10th July Update

Here's what I've sent out today. I suggest you archive your talk page because it has become too big! Zen :)

Hey there,

Just to let you know that the Psychology Wiki is continuing to grow. Check out our:

Hope you can help us building the community. Otherwise, please let other people know about us as much as you can, or log in and vote for us to be a featured Wikia here: Vote


Mostly Zen 22:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

PS: Gil didn't say but apparently he is the CEO of Wikia and one of the investors (it says so here: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania) Wikimania is some kind of conference they are having. If it was in the UK, I'd suggest that we went along. I can't really afford to jet off to Harvard! :) Mostly Zen

Outed :-)

Yes - I'm the new CEO, I just don't think titles are important, it's what you do with the resources you have :-) Thanks for the note on Jimmy's page, I am talking to him as well about a manifesto/quote for the psychology wiki and I talked to the partner at our PR agency about getting you some targeted PR. Here is my latest plan:

  • You suggest some ideas for a quote/manifesto by Jimmy and we'll work on it and post it on the site after getting your approval in August.
  • We will reach out to the publications you suggest (ideally in the US and UK) via our press agency and perhaps some others that cover Wikia
  • If there are bloggers you suggest, we can reach out to them as well
  • We would need a way for journalists to reach you and learn about your mission (phone & email)
  • I saw your request for a nomination on the home page. I'll wish you luck with that, although I try not to influence the outcome. It's important that it's user driven
  • if one of you want to come to Wikimania, I'm willing to subsidize the trip by $500 :-) Jimmy would love to meet you in person for a few minutes


Off to Harvard

I'm taking up Gil's offer of a subsidy for the trip it makes the difference for me to be able to go assuming I can get a cheap flight. We should try and firm up the stuff we want Jimmy to say, get the blogger list sorted. I'll do the journal list tonight. I feel the energy growingLifeartist 08:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Sounds fantastic. Wish I could come along! I still need to find some kind of temporary work to keep a roof over my head! Mind you it is very good that one of us can go to Wikimania as it looks like it will mostly be the Wikia staff and admins from other Wikia. Its a good opportunity.
Here's my ideas:
  • I was thinking that if you sort out the journals and publications... and the journalists/press. (As a clinical Psychologist you will be taken more seriously I think! :)
  • I can work on the blogger list and internet/wikipedia/wikia based side. I'm good at this part.
  • Manifesto wise, lets get this sorted out on our About page. This is the best place for it and is kind of a manifesto anyway. We can link to all the other stuff from there, such as legal disclaimers, funding model, clinical disclaimers etc... The about page is the best place for it as there are already many links to it, including the very bottom of each page.

I think thats it for the time being, speak to you later Mostly Zen 11:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at the medal I have given to User:Bri_bri they use these things on WP and I think they are a good way to reward our good contributors. Mostly Zen


  • Lifeartist, it will be great to meet you. We're trying to schedule a dinner for our team with prominent wikians. It will be either friday or sat night during the conference. Let me know when you're planning to arrive/leave and I'll make sure you're invited.
  • I'm excited by how enthusiastic you and Mostly Zen are and it's nice to hear that we can help you achieve your mission. At the end of the day, that's really what Jimmy and I are all about - empowering people to become superhuman in their impact on the world and the communities they care about.


User Experience

I have a user experience that I would like to add on my userpage. Please message me there for details for following the site rules properly. Anon Psych Victim 00:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I've dealt with this, moved his message from your user page to your talk page, and I left messages on his user page... Mostly Zen 10:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok Dr Joe

See you there. i'll bring my notebook to take your details for the subsidy!


Good luck!

Seems I picked a great week to browse back in. Best wishes! Robin Patterson 08:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Community Portal

Just done a total redesign. Removed and deleted all the innappropriate Wikipedia stuff, as I felt it was not appropriate for a new and emerging Wiki to try and follow all the same paths as Wikipedia. We will do better to create our community naturally as we go along. All the dead links and innapropriate pages were like a labyrinthe of confusion, and made our Wiki look more dead than anything else. Its better to have a living village than a dead city.

It might seem a bit drastic, but it really will be less work in the long run to decide for ourselves and create the site structure as we go along, rather than trying to get everyone to learn the arcane workings of wikipedia, which have accreted over several years and through many thousands of contributors. Makes us look distinct from WP also

Mostly Zen 17:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Good Idea, lets contact these people

Good idea. Any time we find something useful and technical like this we should email the creators. For example, the creators of the podcasts are clearly good technical people that want to contribute to Psychology Knowledge over the internet. These are the people we should be contacting to tell them about the Psychology Wiki, as they are potentially more likely to contribute to it. Mostly Zen 10:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

PS I think it would be a good idea to add these things to the Current Events news, every time we add something new and significant, lets put it there, as it links from the Current Events tab under the main page tab (below the logo). This will also appear on the community portal as the Bulletin Board is there as well as under current events. Mostly Zen 10:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah! the group mind at work - its a wonderful thing that Im really coming to appreciate doing this. Lets do it. I think we should also look to do podcasts of our lectures, of our discussions about the wiki and maybe do an editing video - all this to come

Our Vision

Hi Joe,

Just finished writing the manifesto that Gil suggested we complete. I'm really pleased with how its come out. Have a look at it and let me know what you think. I'd prefer if we could discuss changes first, because for a discrete inspirational type speech thats supposed to attract contributors, constantly changing each others words might not work best. I think I've managed to communicate what you were originally inspired by though.

Its best if your name goes at the bottom. Dr just sounds better.

Mostly Zen Baby tao.jpg (talk) 17:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes you are right that the details of the paper purchasing get in the way in the manifesto itself. I have explained that better and in more detail in the 'details' section below (on the about page).
  • I put the paper purchasing stuff in the manifesto to make the point of looking to the future. People will possibly wonder how we are going to be able to link to all papers, full text, when various other databases have failed to do so, hence the point about papers being sold differently in the future and then made freely available. I may be wrong about this of course, but that is what has happened with music in the mp3 format. We can discuss this elsewhere.
  • Yes I think the message of what you are saying is more to the point than my version, which deviated talking about the papers. I will write a version 3 now, with exactly the same message as yours, which I think is fine, just re-wording it to make it sound better
  • I got Sannse to read it last night and she said she doesnt like the term 'service users' I am going to change this to 'people using psychology to improve their own health and wellbeing'
  • Changed 'restrictive nature of the Journal-Subscription model' to 'restrictive nature of journal-subscription'
This says the same thing, avoids saying 'model' too much and sounds better, less words...
  • Next two paragraphs I completely re-wrote. We were kind of repeating ourselves twice, first about bringing the knowledge together and then about bringing the references together. Also we were saying about how these 2 solutions can help to sort out Psychology, but this is really well explained in the paragraph which starts, 'We envisage...'

Best to see the redraft really, its here: Template:Psy_Wiki_Vision(3).

Mostly Zen Baby tao.jpg (talk) 16:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I think its much better now, says what you said, but re-worded so we dont repeat ourselves.

Wall Street Journal Reporter


  • I hope this is ok - the Wall Stree Journal (similar to the Financial Times in the UK) interviewed us this week about Wikia and they are hoping to talk to you about your psychology wiki. Would you mind emailing me your contact information? Phone or email if possible to Gil - at - Wikia.com.
  • If you're not comfortable, they've learned how to use wiki discussion and can chat with you on your page, but they'd prefer phone if you're willing to take the call. Thanks!

Gil P.S. I love the new logo!

New logo? I'm sure it was around earlier. Well Joe this is good news. If we get the Manifesto finished we can give the journalists some proper quotes to work on. I think your last edit of my first draft made it better, and my version 3 link (above) makes it pretty much done, but if you think we need to add to it, let me know. We've just had an anonymous person say it was 'cool' and they wanted to help. We NEED to get this finished and then I can start marketing. Mostly Zen Baby tao.jpg (talk) 12:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is the Last Wall Street Journal article that they ran on Wikia, back in March 2005. It should give you an idea of what they are after doing. Mostly Zen Baby tao.jpg (talk) 12:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Zen's recent ideas

Later on, after my job hunting, I will:

  • Change the Community Portal talk to a Forum (like the admin forum)
  • Copy over and individualize all the help pages we need, organise them and link them to the Comm Portal and Help:Contents
  • Agree with you a final Manifesto, then we can give this to Gil and Jimbo (I've already shown them the first draft, but they've not commented on it yet). Then hopefully at some point Jim Wales can give us a mention, which will attract many thousands of wikipedians to have a look at our project.
  • I can give some info to this journalist as well if you like
  • Once the manifesto and interview and info with Gil is sorted, I can start emailing the Bloglist, forum list, psychologists web-sites and various other Psychology Internet things. They can pass the message on to others.
  • We can have a grand - launch, after your August Wikimania meeting. The Psychology Wiki will be 6 months old soon right?

Speak to you later, let me know whats going on. Mostly Zen Baby tao.jpg (talk) 12:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes OK, lets meet up. As you say the manifesto is likely to change after you come back from Wikia. I think I'm just very eager to start the marketing phase, as I'm finding doing so much of the structuring to be very tiring, (or it could be the heat!). The delay will give us even more time to make it more user friendly and structured before we get lots more contributors.

I really think a mention from Jim Wales will be more important to us than the Wall Street Journal article, although the article will be very important to Wikia as a whole. We just want to make sure we are mentioned in a positive light in the article, because we can then use that as a reference to back up our publicity (the Wikipedia article about us for example, is demanding Wikification, ie references and the like, and this article will be read A LOT after Jim mentions us).

Let me know when you next want to meet up. I am still going to visit you on August 18th, but would you like to come down here to visit me before Wikia? We could work on the manifesto then.

Mostly Zen Baby tao.jpg (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Unvalidated therapies

Hi Joe. I am interested in editing here. I would like to make my contribution to unvalidated therapies. I have some listed, including power therapies, but also some others. Follow my contributions, and tell me if you have any suggestions. ATB Doc Reason 12:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi again Lifeartist. I noticed you have included NLP article. The version you have now is actually extremely well sourced. It is far better than the current NLP article on Wikipedia which seems to be pretty frought with promoters and devoid of scientists. I guess thats why so many sources are missing from their version. I do have some more I can add to it also. There are some more recent review papers that can clear up some issues. I also have some info on other power or alphabet therapies. Looking good! Doc Reason 12:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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